From 421343a97a7c4507138c1e881b7894608614d718 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: William S Fulton <wsf@fultondesigns.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 23:31:00 +0000
Subject: [PATCH] - Update with info on new mailing lists - Note that some
 while ago I removed all references the mailing list addresses and pointed
 instead to this page - Add section on top and bottom posting - Add link to
 old swig-dev archives on Gmane

git-svn-id: https://swig.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/swig/trunk@7747 626c5289-ae23-0410-ae9c-e8d60b6d4f22
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 swigweb/mail.ht | 62 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-----------
 1 file changed, 49 insertions(+), 13 deletions(-)

diff --git a/swigweb/mail.ht b/swigweb/mail.ht
index 848b0f8b6..c3b4b8567 100644
--- a/swigweb/mail.ht
+++ b/swigweb/mail.ht
@@ -9,10 +9,14 @@ There are a number of mailing lists available. Please use them for any queries r
 <p>
 <b>Important</b>. The mailing lists are set with a very high level of spam rejection, meaning occasionally some SWIG user's email postings will be discarded. Emails classified as spam are quietly discarded, so please check the archives if you are unsure as to whether or not your email was successfully posted. Note that only plain text emails should be sent, that is html, rtf etc formatted emails will be quietly discarded. The mailing lists are also subscriber only lists, so you must subscribe to the relevant list in order to post to that list. 
 
+<p>
+Note that in November 2005 new mailing lists replaced the original mailing lists.
+Details of <a href="#search_lists">searching or browsing</a> both the new and old lists are given below.
+</p>
+
 <p>
 To subscribe to any of the mailing lists or view the archives, use the links on the left column.
-<br>
-<br>
+</p>
 
 <table BORDER="1" summary="Maling lists">
 <tr>
@@ -22,19 +26,19 @@ To subscribe to any of the mailing lists or view the archives, use the links on
 
 <tr>
 <td>
-<a href="http://www.cs.uchicago.edu/mailman/listinfo/swig">swig</a>
+<a href="http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/swig-user">swig-user</a>
 </td>
 <td>
-General discussion and queries about SWIG.
+General discussion and queries about SWIG for users.
 </td>
 </tr>
 
 <tr>
 <td>
-<a href="http://www.cs.uchicago.edu/mailman/listinfo/swig-dev">swig-dev</a>
+<a href="http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/swig-devel">swig-devel</a>
 </td>
 <td>
-SWIG Development discussion list. This mailing list used to contain the CVS commits, but these are now on the swig-cvs mailing list.
+Discussion list for SWIG developers or anyone interested in SWIG development.
 </td>
 </tr>
 
@@ -49,20 +53,48 @@ SWIG CVS list. CVS commits are mailed to this list.
 
 </table>
 
-<h2>Searching the mailing lists</h2>
+<h2><a name="top_bottom_posting">Top posting and bottom posting</h2>
+<p>
+Replies to emails can be either <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting#Bottom-posting">bottom or top posted</a>.
+The SWIG community by and large uses bottom postings or inline replies.
+This doesn't mean top postings are ruled out, however, an email chain with both top and bottom postings is rather difficult to follow and should be avoided.
+Please don't mix top and bottom posts in one thread, stick with whichever approach the first reply used.
+</p>
+
+<p>
+For those who are new to mailing lists, there are many articles on the subject, for example,
+<a href="http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html">Bottom vs. top posting and quotation style on Usenet</a> and
+<a href="http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/brox.html">Why is Bottom-posting better than Top-posting</a>.
+
+</p>
+
+<h2><a name="search_lists">Searching and browsing the mailing lists</h2>
 <p>
 The mailing lists can be searched in various different ways.
+The links below are shortcuts to the archives from where you can easily search or browse old postings.
 </p>
 
 <p>
-<a href="http://www.gmane.org">Gmane</a> archives many mailing lists including the swig mailing list.
-You can use Gmane to <a href="http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.programming.swig">search the swig mailing list</a> archives
-or just browse the list online as if the list was a newsgroup.
-Note that only the swig mailing list can be queried as the swig-dev mailing list is not currently archived by Gmane.
+<a href="http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum=swig-user">swig-user archives</a>
+<br>
+<a href="http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum=swig-devel">swig-devel archives</a>
+<br>
+<a href="http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum=swig-cvs">swig-cvs archives</a>
 </p>
 
 <p>
-Google can be used to search the site that hosts the swig and swig-dev mailing list archives.
+The original mailing lists in use prior to November 2005 are still archived and available for browsing from the links below.
+</p>
+
+<p>
+<a href="http://www.cs.uchicago.edu/mailman/pipermail/swig">swig archives</a> - swig-user equivalent
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.cs.uchicago.edu/mailman/pipermail/swig-dev">swig-dev archives</a> - swig-devel equivalent
+<br>
+</p>
+
+These lists can be searched in two different ways.
+The most thorough approach is to use Google to search the web site that hosts these old list archives.
 </p>
 
 <!-- SiteSearch Google -->
@@ -85,6 +117,10 @@ border="0" ALT="Google"></A>
 <!-- SiteSearch Google -->
 
 <p>
-The Sourceforge <a href=http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum=swig-cvs>swig-cvs mailing list archive</a> has a facility to search the swig-cvs list archives.
+An alternative approach is to make use of <a href="http://www.gmane.org">Gmane</a> which also archived these old lists.
+The <a href="http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.programming.swig">old swig mailing list</a>
+can be searched or browsed online as if the list was a newsgroup.
+Gmane also has an <b>incomplete</b> archive of the <a href="http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.programming.swig.devel"> old swig-dev mailing list</a>.
 </p>
 
+